Show Notes

Discover what’s possible when you listen before you practice.

Both Liz Lefebre and Amy Evans are Board Certified Behavior Analysts with specializations in Precision Teaching, Fluency Based Instruction, Instructional Design, and Assent Based Treatment, as well as the Co-Founders of Octave, an organization dedicated to improving skill sets of behavior analysts, teachers, and instructional designers. 

In today’s conversation, we discuss:

  • Why Liz and Amy decided to start Octave

  • What are Octave’s values and mission

  • What Precision Teaching, Instructional Design, and Assent Based Treatment are 

  • What Liz and Amy have learned from listening to autistic voices and how that has affected their programming 

  • Why practitioners should move away from “traditional ABA and undo the training that they might have undergone

  • What some of the potential barriers to ethical practices in ABA are

  • How to increase a client’s appetite for learning

  • Advice for other practitioners

To learn more about Liz Lefebre and Amy Evans, please visit

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139. Responsive Skills Training: An Autistic-Informed Curriculum, with Molly Ola Pinney and Ann Beirne


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